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INTERVIEW: Peter Jackson on "King Kong"
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12/14/05 AT 2:00 A.M.
BY ETHAN AAMES
By Rob Alarcon in New York City With barely a break to contemplate his "Lord of the Rings" Oscars, Peter Jackson went right to work on his next CGI-driven, epic film. The result, the soon to be released "King Kong," sets a new standard for technical achievement in film making. Jackson does not create a fantasy world at the expense of characters and plot, but re-imagines the movie that inspired him to film making with an eye for the whole product, not just spectacle. Below, Peter Jackson speaks about his latest blockbuster Q: A lot of people call you an auteur, and you do these films with monstrous budgets and marketing campaigns. How hard is it to stay true to your vision when you also have to serve this marketing machine? PETER: That’s an interesting question. I don’t quite know what an auteur is. I never quite understand that term because filmmaking is such a huge team effort. I regard myself as being the final filter, so that anything that ends up in the movie is there because it’s something that I would think was cool in a movie somebody else had made. I very much tried to make a film that I’d enjoy, but I’m open to ideas. I need a huge team of people to help me and I try to encourage everyone to contribute as much as possible. I think that’s the job of a director, really, to sort of funnel all the creativity into one centralized point of being. The marketing is really something that happens with other people, and it’s not something at all that I’m an expert in. I regard my job at the end of the day is to make the best possible film I can. That’s really where my job stops. Marketing people take over after that. Q: Peter, we can all see your great weight loss. Congratulations. I was wondering how your life is as a filmmaker with this slim new body... PETER: I’m exhausted. I’m absolutely tired. I felt fit for a while, but the film is such a grueling marathon to do. We literally finished the movie about ten minutes before we got on the airplane to come over here. We were flying out of New Zealand at 9:30 in the morning and at 9 o’clock I was at the visual effects house approving the last two or three shots in the movie and then at 9:15 we dropped by the dub stage to look at a couple of changes we had made to the dubbing and approved that, and then we got on a plane. I haven’t enjoyed being healthy yet. I’m absolutely shattered. I haven’t really had a life. I’ve been making movies for ten years now, with the "Lord of the Rings" movies straight into "Kong." I’m very pleased that we did that because we were able to utilize the great creative team we had assembled for the "Lord of the Rings" films. One of the reasons why I wanted to make "Kong" very quickly – when the opportunity to do "Kong" came up I grabbed it and wanted to do it fast – because I wanted to keep this team together and be able to just channel that creativity into another project. People didn’t really know it at the time, because you don’t talk about it, but when we flew over to Los Angeles for the Oscars for "Return of the King," we were in a "Kong" production meeting the following day. We had a Universal script meeting the day after the Oscars and then after that I got on a plane and flew to New York and met with Fay Wray and we got a tour of the top of the Empire State Building and took photos and videotape on the top of the Empire State Building for building a set. So we were already in the middle of doing Kong then. It’s been sort of a continuous journey. Q: What was it about the ’33 King Kong that inspired you to make this movie and to become a filmmaker? PETER: It did inspire me to become a filmmaker, absolutely. To such a profound effect that I saw the original "Kong" on TV when I was 9 on a Friday night and that weekend I grabbed some plasticine and made a brontosaurus. I got my parent’s Super-8 movie camera and tried to animate the plasticine dinosaur. Really it was a moment in time when I just wanted to do special effects and do monsters and creatures and ultimately led to becoming a filmmaker. I didn’t really know what directing was when I was 9; it was more about monsters at that stage. The original Kong, to me, is a wonderful piece of escapist entertainment. It has everything that’s really cool about movies like a lost, remote island, a giant ape, dinosaurs, and it also has this wonderful heart and soul. It has this empathetic creature who, when I was 9 I cried at the end of the movie, when he was killed on the Empire State Building. That moment of shedding tears for him has stayed with me. That level of emotional engagement and pure escapism is what I personally like about the movies. Everybody goes to the movies for different reasons, has different tastes, but for me that’s a great piece of escapist entertainment. Q: How did you handle deciding how much to make Kong human versus making him an animal? PETER: That’s a very good question. Obviously as a filmmaker you’re going to manipulate the character as you need to to make the scenes work. I certainly don’t deny that. But we did set out to base him on a real gorilla as much as we could. We sat down at the beginning and asked, ‘What is Kong? What is he? Is he a monster, is he some sort of missing link or aberration?’ We thought just making him a gorilla, a silverback, as genuine as we possibly could, was a really good way to go. Everybody thinks of him as being a gorilla anyway, although the various versions of Kong have been a little different. So we studied silverback gorillas; Andy Serkis, who obviously did a lot of the performance of Kong for us, especially studied gorillas in the mountains and he went up and tracked a group of them in the Rwandan mountains for a couple of weeks. He spent a lot of time at the zoo studying their behaviour. Everything in the movie is based on some form or another what a silverback gorilla would do – but obviously with a little bit of manipulation and cheating on behalf of the filmmakers. It was interesting because we found that with silverback gorillas a lot of personality and character is expressed through simplicity. I think that probably studying gorillas so much, if it had any profound effect on us, was simplifying his characterization and making him less emotive. They don’t really give away a lot, gorillas. It’s all to do with eye contact, and when they’re looking at you and looking away and their body language. There’s not a lot of expression on their faces. So we tried to reign it in and tried to pull it back as much as we possibly could. It’s interesting. One of the interesting things about telling the story that I have found in the last few months as we’ve been doing the animation, kind of refining Kong, is the fact that I also didn’t want to fall into the trap of making him too cute, and making his behaviour too cute. The point in the story where we want the audience to empathize with Kong, I didn’t want to stop him being dangerous. I didn’t want to stop him being a wild creature who can kill characters that we got to know in the story. It was interesting; I wanted people to empathize with him but also keeping an edge to his character, keeping him wild and unpredictable. Q: What was most important to you when adapting the material, to put the Peter Jackson stamp on it? PETER: What was most important was to make people be able to connect with Kong, both in the way that he is portrayed, his performance and character and also technically to make him believable. I knew going into this that the movie was ultimately going to live or die on whether you believed in Kong. All movies are a suspension of disbelief and you hope people will engage in the film on some level and be prepared to go along for the ride. The biggest concern that I had in terms of the film completely failing was if Kong wasn’t believable. It was a difficult thing to pull off; it was much more difficult than the Gollum character that we did on Lord of the Rings. Gollum talked the whole time, and so much of his character and so much of what he was and his role in the story was able to be presented in his dialogue. You got to know him a lot through what he said. Yet Kong is completely mute. He’s got so much screentime and so many close-ups as a character. He’s not only mute but we deliberately reigned in him and didn’t want him to express much. That was the biggest challenge. Q: Peter, can you talk about walking with Naomi, and what it was like to get such a performance out of her considering the fact that Kong wasn’t really there? PETER: Naomi was our first and only choice for the role. We responded to her because she’s so honest as an actor. She doesn’t pretend in the films that she does; she makes it as real as possible. She’s one of those actors that, if she’s shedding tears in a scene, it’s because she’s thinking of something that makes her cry. She’s really in the moment. I don’t know what that is, I don’t know how she does it, but she’s utterly believable. Which of course for this particular role, and this particular movie, was essential for us. Naomi was also hugely helped by Andy Serkis. People think of Andy as the guy who does motion capture for Kong, which he does. He’s in a suit, and he acts out the role and we did all the motion capture of the character with Andy and that was put into animation and then into performance. But for me, as the filmmaker, possibly one of Andy’s greatest contributions was being on set with the actors when they shot the scenes. None of that was recorded; he wasn’t capture on set, that was done in post-production. He wasn’t even filmed. Andy was there for the other actors. And every single shot in the movie – and I don’t think there’s an exception – every close-up of Naomi when she’s looking at Kong, she’s actually looking at Andy. Andy would get himself into her eyeline so that whenever she looked at Kong’s face, that’s where he was. Up in a cherry-picker or up on a ladder or suspended on something or up on a building, he was always there. And he was acting his heart out as Kong. I think that was hugely beneficial for Naomi and the other actors. It was really great for me because it was the beginning of us creating Kong as a character. I was able to talk to Andy when we were doing those scenes; it wasn’t just Naomi and me, it was Naomi, Andy and me. It was the three of us. We were able to rehearse the scene, to block the scene and to talk about how Kong would be. It was the beginning of the creation of that character that would be taken to the motion capture and then to the animation and finally to the film. It was a huge contribution. More than what people would think coming from Andy. Q: A lot of people were first introduced to you with "Lord of the Rings," or maybe "Heavenly Creatures." But some of us first got to know you with "Bad Taste" and "Dead Alive." Is that filmmaker still there inside of you? PETER: Oh absolutely. I hope to one day get to make another low budget horror film. I certainly feel that, in a way now, I want to rest and recuperate from the last ten years of filmmaking and be able to do some more interesting things. I have low budget ideas and horror movies and other types of films – it’s kind of weird but it’s only just recently I’ve realized that for the last ten years I’ve had just two projects – "Lord of the Rings" and "King Kong." We originally tried to make "King Kong" after "The Frighteners," and that was 1995 into 96. And then when that got canned we went into "Lord of the Rings" and then back into "King Kong" again. So I’ve had two projects in the past ten years. It’s really an exciting time to rest up and think of new ideas. Q: You’re just producing "Halo," right? PETER: Yeah. Q: Is there a director? PETER: Not yet. We’re talking to some people. We’re going to be shooting that next year. Q: Can you talk about where the inspiration came from for the scene with Kong dancing with Ann in Central Park? PETER: The thinking behind that scene is that didn’t want to go straight from Kong escaping from the theater and then reunites with Ann, we didn’t want to go directly up to the Empire State Building. We wanted to give them a moment together to, in a way, fulfill the relationship and the friendship that had started on the island. We just wanted to create a quiet moment for the two of them. It was that thinking that led us to creating the ice pond. Q: With "Lord of the Rings" you gave so much to the fans with the DVD. You’ve already said you might do an extended edition with Kong. How long would that edition be, and what else could we expect? PETER: I’m not quite sure. Unlike the "Lord of the Rings" situation, when the first movie came out and the extended DVDs were like a conclusion. We were doing the visual effects for the extended DVDs right after the film was finished. In this case I think Universal is waiting for the release of the film before they decide what strategically they want to do. The tentative plan is to release the movie as it is in theaters on DVD sometime next year. There’s been talk of an extended cut, but I don’t know – we haven’t started working on it yet. If I was putting in some other cool scenes we would have 30 or 40 minutes. We have some dinosaur sequences and other stuff as well. It’s not just drama and character stuff. Q: Are you still doing "The Lovely Bones"? PETER: Yeah. Q: Have you thought about who you are going to cast? PETER: No. We’re going to have a break first and then work on the script to that. "King Kong" opens in theaters December 14th.

